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Financial Fluency Episode #30: Mind The Gap

Today, I want to talk about a book that I’ve been reading recently, or rather, just a chapter really. The book is called, “Daring Greatly” by Brene Brown, the chapter that I really like is Chapter 5, it’s called “Mind the Gap” and it’s looking at the gap between aspirational and practiced values.

What she wants people to do in this chapter is pay attention to the space between where they’re standing now and where they want to be and aligning their values with their actions.

I feel like having children has made me more acutely aware of when I spout something off to them, some kind of high-value type of thing and then inside of my own head, I start worrying about them seeing me do something where I’m not living up to that value that I just espoused to them.

Before having kids, you know you can kind of get away with these things, having values, maybe your actions are a bit different but you’re not really being witnessed as much. You may witness yourself but you can also ignore it yourself.

With those two sets of eyes watching almost all of my moves all the time, it really makes me aware of my own hypocrisy and it also really makes me want to change it.

It makes me want to be the person who does all the things that I tell them they should always do, right? And I’m sure I’m not the first person to say this. I think a lot of people feel that when you have children and you’re trying to teach them values, it makes you more acutely aware of whether or not you’re living up to those values.

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So, How Does This Relate to our Finances?

Here’s how it relates to our finances. Money is our culturally accepted system of valuation and it’s a perfect place to examine the difference between our aspirational and practiced values.

So one way, I think, is a great way to look at this is to ask yourself, “What things do you believe to be most important in life? What is most important to you?” Take out a pen and a paper and write at least your top 3 things down. For me, the things that pop straight into my mind were family, creativity, and contribution. Yours maybe something more like security, spirituality, eradicating malaria, you know, like the Gateses, maybe.

So anyways, whatever those first 3 values are that pop into your head, write those down and now let’s go to your money tracking app. If you don’t have one, quickly download mint.com or something like it, hook up all of your accounts and then let’s go through your recent transactions.

I think it’s great to do this both with your recent transactions and your calendar

Our time and our money, those show what we truly value in our life regardless of what we say, where we’re putting our time and our money, that speaks volumes. Tweet that

Looking into those accounts and this isn’t about guilt or shame in any way, obviously, we’re talking about Brene Brown, this is not about shame. It’s about releasing shame and releasing guilt to make sure you don’t feel that guilt and shame when we’re looking at your transactions.

Pretend for a moment that this is the transaction of somebody else, some other person and you are trying to find out about them. Pretend that you are in a mystery movie and this is what you have to go on to figure out what kind of person this person is, maybe you’re the detective, that’s a great idea!

So, you’re the detective, you find this sheet of transactions and you want to know what this person is all about, what are they like. So go through transaction by transaction, set up some categories for your top 3 values and see how much goes towards those.

When you’re looking at it too, what other big categories are coming up? What are your big areas that you’re spending in? And when we look at transactions, it may be hard to decide exactly which categories some go in, but I see things as like saving and investing and putting stuff towards retirement, that is you valuing the future, your family, your stability.

Here’s A Common One

For a lot of people, a big category that comes up is “Debt”. Again, no guilt, no shame, let’s just be scientists, explorers, detectives and look at what does the debt get you? What are you getting in exchange for the debt that you’re taking on.

For a lot of people, the biggest debt that they take on in life are things like their home which could be again, family, security, that kind of thing. Cars, most people need cars in order to get to and from work if they work on any kind of job that’s outside of the home so that could be going towards your income capacity, your capacity to earn income and that’s pretty important.

Another thing that a lot of people take on debt for is their education. And again, education, in some ways there’s a measurable ROI in terms of if it leads directly to a job. So say you go to Law school, you become a lawyer, that has a measurable ROI. You’re going to pay that off through the job, potentially. Becoming a doctor, you know, there’s a lot of things like that but education has so many other benefits and facets to it.

I went to a Liberal Arts college, I went to Bryn Mawr College and I was a Creative Writing Major. That has not had a directly measurable ROI in my life but it has really gone towards one of my big values, which is creativity. I do like to write, I like to write songs, I like to write music, I like to do podcasts, I like to write articles, I like to write books even though I have not yet finished one on my own.

I’m stating it here because that’s one of my values. I would like to be an author, I would like to complete a book. I’ve done some e-book type writing but not a real actual novel and I would also like to write a book about women and finance. I feel like I’m learning so much on this show, there’s so much fascinating stuff going on that I could see this some day going towards a book.

So, me putting in the time and money to do this podcast besides the fact that I get to interact with so many amazing women on the interviews and get to hang out like this, talking to a microphone. I don’t know, I like microphones. I feel creative when I’m doing this, it’s fun. This is me investing in some of my values.

Is The Debt Worth It?

But getting back to the debt question. So we have the home, the car, the education, those are pretty massive things that people go into debt for often but you’re putting it towards an asset, like a home or a car, you know. Cars don’t last forever but still. We have a 1998 Subaru which is, honestly, we are trying to drive it into the ground, I think it’s going to last forever. We may never be able to replace this car because it is lasting so long but back to the point.

There are other things that we go into debt for and let’s take a look at those because on the one hand, there’s the thing that you get for going into debt. If you put it on a credit card, you’re buying a specific thing, then there’s also the interest that we pay on it. So depending how long that interest goes out, it makes that thing more and more valuable. Valuable in terms of how much money you’ve put towards it because it may be, I don’t know, a $50 item but if it takes you a really long time to pay it off, you could pay $20 more on it which makes it now worth $70 instead of $50. So really, even if it was on sale, by buying it with debt, you’ve gotten a bad deal. So what are you valuing by buying that thing with debt?

  • Are you valuing immediate gratification?
  • Was it something you needed immediately for some reason?
  • Were there extenuating circumstances that made it very time sensitive?

Again no guilt, no shame, let’s just do some exploration here because I put things on credit cards plenty of times. My college credit card story is one that I’m going to tell at some point, I don’t think I’ll tell it right now because I like these solo episodes pretty short and that one gets a little involved but suffice to say that I had one of those first credit card experiences where no one had ever really explained to me how the “magic”, of compound interest works when the interest is credit card interest and not interest that you’re earning.

There are some lessons I wish I’d learned before I got my first credit card. I learned them with my first credit card but that doesn’t mean that I haven’t put things on a credit card since that I wish I hadn’t. I think we all do, we all do it at different times throughout our lives and there are different reasons for doing it.

Elementary, Dear Watson

So, again just exploring, looking at it, if this was a story, if you were a private detective who found this in a hotel room of a suspect and you were trying to determine what was important to this person, to figure out how to follow them and what their next move would be, what would you say were the top three most important things to this person based on their financial transactions?

And once you do that, take a look at how that compares to those top three values that you wrote down. Is there a gap between them? What is the gap between your aspirational values in terms of finance and your practice values in terms of finance?

And the next step after you look at that is to start taking some actions to get them more aligned, figure out what are some things you can do to shift things in your finances? What are some actions that you can take right now and moving forward that would help to align those aspirational values and practice values?

Let’s Keep On Talking

Okay, that is my show for today. I’m going to keep it pretty short. I’m going to thank Brene Brown even though I’ve never personally interacted with her because her book is fantastic. I feel like women and shame and money are such hot topics and Brene, if you happen to hear this somehow, if I share it and you’re tagged then you listen to it, I would love to have you on the show someday to talk about shame and money because I feel like this is one place where a lot of people feel a lot of shame especially around debt and loss and making financial decisions that don’t pay out the way that they think they should.

If you would like to join the conversation about aspirational versus practised values in terms of money and shame and guilt and how we can release it and not attach all of that crap to our money, then go over to the Financial Fluency Facebook group and let’s talk about it, join the conversation. I’m loving that group right now, it’s still pretty small but we’re building and it’s really nice to have conversations over there.

And if you want even more in depth conversations and actual help and content from me, we also have my “Mastering Money Matters” monthly membership group which you can join. It’s relatively low price because I want it to be a pretty easy thing for people to get into, I don’t want you to go into more debt to work with me.

I recently had someone who joined the group tell me how surprised she was to find out that I do actually work with the women in the group. I do a free call for everyone, we have weekly blabs on Tuesdays and weekly co-working hours on Fridays where we all sit down and tackle our financial tasks. No one has to tell anyone else anything about their finances, it’s just that we’re being accountable and we’re making sure that we do the things that we want to get done that we say we want to get done. We’re trying to align our actions with our values.
Thank you.

Financial Fluency Episode #29: Family Finances with Megan Purnell

Today on Financial Fluency, I am happy to have Megan Purnell on the show to chat about Family Finances. She’s is a woman after my own heart – we both LOVE to talk about money! Megan is passionate about helping families find financial freedom after she did just that for her own.

We talk about the costs and savings of diets, how the entry barrier has been lowered to savings accounts and much much more!

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Favorite Quotes

We don’t talk about money and debt enough – Megan

Holy! This adds up to $40,000 – Megan

We got our first bedframe after being married for 6 years! – Megan

I can’t tell you how much automating finances can change your life – Megan

Meet with 3 advisers and not just your bank. Cool innovative ones – Megan


Megan PurnellMegan Purnell is a cash flow expert for families who just don’t know where to start.
Through her step-by-step online courses, she turns average spenders into confident growing investors.

Students have called Megan “a true money genius”, not only stemming from her background in banking, corporate finance, a business degree (BBA) + accounting diploma, but her real life test of ditching her consumer debt to live wealthy on a less-than-average single income.

Meet Megan + find your money inspiration at www.meganpurnell.com


Financial Fluency Episode #28: Gurus vs Goonies

Lately I’ve come across the word guru a lot, and it got me thinking about what it actually means. I’ve even had a few people try to attach that word to me, which I have to very sternly refuse. I am not a guru in any sense of the word, and I even went and looked it up, just to make sure.

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According to Wikipedia – which is what we use nowadays instead of a dictionary –

A Guru: a teacher, guide or master, an exemplar, a spiritual guide who helps students to discover what the guru has already realized.

I feel like the idea of a guru is someone who has kind of gone through a trial by fire in some way, has figured it out, has the answers now and can pass information on to others which they have learned themselves, kind of like a yogi. There are these different stages in yoga, not that I know this by experience, because I’ve never done a whole lot of yoga, but I did read Big Magic and Eat, Pray, Love, so I know that you can get to a certain level of attainment in yoga where you then become the yogi. You’ve attained enlightenment and now you’re able to pass that enlightenment on to others.

I feel like guru is more than just teacher, it’s more than just helping someone out, it’s more than just teaching someone what you’ve learned, it’s when you have really mastered it and lived by example this thing that you’ve become.

That’s definitely not me. I am definitely still learning right along with everyone. I like helping to start conversations, that’s my big point with this podcast and a lot of the things that I do, because I feel like that’s where a lot of us learn.

I learn most by talking to other people about things, and sometimes even by talking to myself about things. Sometimes I listen back when I’m editing an episode and I think, oh, that was a pretty good point, and I’m sure I’m not the only one who’s had this experience.

We teach best what we most need to learn – Richard Bach

I have heard people say before that the best way to learn something is to teach it, because in order to teach it to someone else, you really have to understand the fundamental concepts. So doing this has helped me a lot, talking to you all about money on this podcast has really helped me become way more aware of my own money, and way more aware of what I do with it day to day, especially because now and then I get that creeping fraud feeling.

I’m sure we’ve all had it! Because I now talk to other people about money, every now and then I’m like, oh gosh, they probably think I have no debt at all, which isn’t true, I have debt, I’m working on it, we’re paying it off. We have investments and plans, but I can’t say I’m by any means an example to hold up to other people. Other than, I keep trying to learn.

How To Get To A Guru

When I think about gurus out there in the world, I think about the way in which we normal people get to interact with them, and here’s what I came up with.

  • You can buy their books, either real published books or online books or e-books or things like that.
  • You can watch their TED talks if they are that level of expert.
  • You can buy tickets to their talks or events.

With each of these steps, your financial investment goes up a bit, and joining a higher priced mastermind they may offer or a course or program is probably a bit more, then usually to work one on one with a guru we’re talking a pretty high priced investment.

I’m not saying there’s not a place for that, because there totally is, and a lot of people get a lot out of working with the gurus and the people who have made it to the level they want to make it to. Doing that helps propel them forward into the place they want to be, whether that’s in terms of business, money, health or visibility, whatever it is. There are plenty of people who do get real value out of doing these programs and masterminds and working one on one with people.

And Now, The Goonies

I just want to bring up the 1985 movie, The Goonies, right now. I was nine years old when The Goonies came out, and I loved pretty much everything about this movie. I was a bit younger than the characters which meant I was definitely looking up to them and kind of obsessed.

Just in case you haven’t seen it, I’m definitely showing my age, and you can easily add up if I was nine years old in 1985, you know exactly how old I am right now! If you haven’t seen this movie you can check it out on Netflix, and please do, because it’s such a good movie. I loved it and Cyndi Lauper was my hero back then.

The movie’s about this rag tag group of kids that call themselves The Goonies, and they all have really interestingly varied talents, and as the movie progresses they go on an adventure. One of the best things is the kids are totally dedicated to each other and they get totally dedicated to a cause altogether. They want to save the house, they want to find some way for the family not to get evicted, and they discover a map and they go on a treasure hunt adventure. It’s awesome.

The interesting thing is, every single character in there, even those that seem to have no talents at all at the beginning, all of them contribute to the adventure in some way. If any one of those kids hadn’t been there on the adventure, they might not have made it all the way through to the end. Instead, they all helped and supported each other, hilarity ensues and different things happen, but one thing they didn’t do was they didn’t train and they didn’t do research.

They didn’t become experts and they didn’t learn everything you could ever learn about going on a treasure hunt with an old pirate map before they went. They saw the opportunity, they knew they only had a certain amount of time, and they just jumped in and went for it. And they saved the day, hooray, go Goonies!

While I feel there’s definitely this place for gurus and there’s definitely time to refer to the experts and find out what other people have done to get past any sticking point or roadblock you can’t seem to get by in your progress, either with your business, your finances, your health, whatever it is, there are always times to go to people who know more and who have studied and researched and who are the experts.

Sometimes you just kind of need a Goonies-like band of comrades, of friends, of people who are right in there with you doing it together at the same time.

That’s something that I’m really dedicated to, that’s totally why I started this podcast, and even more that’s why I started my Mastering Money Matters group.

I’ve mentioned this briefly before, but I realized I haven’t really explained the ‘why’ behind it entirely. It’s because I want Goonies myself.

It’s All About the Talking

I want other women that I can sit and talk to, we discuss the ups and downs, we discuss how hard it is to get a mortgage when you have self-employed income, and how much more you have to prove, and how hard it is when your kids are sick and you’re trying to work from home.

Don’t get me wrong I know it’d be hard if you had a job and had to come home and use up your sick leave for your kids to be sick too, but when you’re working from home and have a deadline, you don’t really get the time off because your kids are sick, you still have to figure out ways to do it.

We end up doing calls in the bathroom in between things while kids are watching TV, and hoping they’ll stay quiet while we finish it. So there are just all these different things that go on, and sometimes you just need to go into a group and say what happened and have someone else go, oh yeah, I totally know what you mean.

That’s totally what I’m trying to create. For women and money, I’ve talked about this before and I feel like I have this discussion with someone almost every day, fear and shame and confusion and not wanting to let other people know that you are afraid and ashamed and confused. It’s a lot to keep up when there are these moments when we’re like:

  • Am I doing the right thing?
  • Should I buy this house right now?
  • Are we going to go bankrupt?
  • Should I take this next step?
  • Should I do this thing?

Especially for women in this entrepreneurial world, working outside the nine to five, we have to make a lot of those decisions where people who are working in employment often don’t. You’re doing what other people are telling you to do and you’re not having to figure it all out for yourself.

Not only are you having to figure out the decisions about your business and what next steps to take and when to make certain investments and so on, or when to pay off one debt versus paying off another, you also have to make the decisions about your families and your time and what kind of life you really want to live, what’s worth it and what isn’t.

Sometimes just talking it out and telling somebody else, writing it down, knowing someone else is going to read it, sometimes clarity comes just in that, just in sharing something.

Want Some Goonies?

So while I would never pretend I have all the answers, I am not a guru or an expert, I am just someone who is trying to go along and have conversations along the way, and I want us all to know that we aren’t alone, we’re in it together. I want you to feel that way too.

If you like the podcast, I have just started a new free group on Facebook called Financial Fluency, because I would love to continue some of these conversations that we start on the podcast with the listeners in the group.

You can join that group, and if you want some Goonies, some comrades, some people who are ready to really get in there and talk about pretty much everything we’re doing along the way, we can talk about families and kids and clothes and food and finances, we definitely talk about finances. If you want some people to be in there by your side, then join Mastering Money Matters.

Thank you so much for listening today. I hope you enjoyed this episode and I hope the idea of Gurus vs Goonies is as funny to you as it was to me. Don’t forget to subscribe so you don’t miss an episode. Thanks so much.